<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3914306966810447248</id><updated>2011-09-03T07:07:31.215-05:00</updated><title type='text'>airplane development stories</title><subtitle type='html'>Stories of actual events in the creation of new aircraft designs. Explanations of the reasoning behind the airplane configuration arrangement and the modifications required for a successful product.</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://airplanedevelopmentstories.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3914306966810447248/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://airplanedevelopmentstories.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Donald B Terrana</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13903236261329035077</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>10</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3914306966810447248.post-6917825074097471662</id><published>2009-09-10T16:42:00.007-05:00</published><updated>2009-09-12T20:45:26.839-05:00</updated><title type='text'>The Jaguar</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AHEiS174yyA/SqxOCDjjTtI/AAAAAAAAACg/0bvoHrZ9w7M/s1600-h/grumman-xf10f-jaguar-blog-.gif"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5380761452022025938" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 224px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AHEiS174yyA/SqxOCDjjTtI/AAAAAAAAACg/0bvoHrZ9w7M/s320/grumman-xf10f-jaguar-blog-.gif" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="Section1"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:18;"&gt;THE GRUMMAN F10F REAL STORY&lt;?xml:namespace prefix = o /&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:18;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14;"&gt;I will be writing about the origin of the F10F beginning from the day I first started work at Grumman in November 1950,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14;"&gt;I was relatively fresh out of college, having worked a total of about 6 months in the aviation industry.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14;"&gt;Grumman then had a total of about 8000 of which 1000 were engineers. The new design work was done in plant 5 which also housed &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14;"&gt;the flight test hanger and manufacturing facilities to build experimental aircraft .&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14;"&gt;Working in this environment was somewhat overwhelming for the new kid on the block…… but to cap it off, I was introduced to the F10F jaguar.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14;"&gt;It was the latest high speed fighter design and I was going to work on it!&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14;"&gt;The first thing I saw was a 1/10 scale plexiglass transparent model showing the whole airplane including the 4 20mm nose armament.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14;"&gt;I was assigned to the wing group as a structural designer and as such became familiar with how the airplane was put together., and that is what I am going to tell you about.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14;"&gt;Part 1. Who the players were:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14;"&gt;First to put the story into perspective, it may be of interest as to say who the key people were directing this effort.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14;"&gt;Some were already legions of their time others who went on to become vice presidents and many like myself who have a few stories to tell.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14;"&gt;The project engineer was Gordon Isreal, chief of structures Al Munier and chief aerodynamicist , Joseph Hubert. ( Hubert had come from&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14;"&gt; Messerschmitt where he was the 163 program leader . Other key players included Bob Hall , chief engineer (and former GB racer fame) and not the &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14;"&gt;Least, Ira Hedrick, chief technical engineer, and not to be missed, project test pilot Kokey Meyer. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:14;"&gt;To Be continued &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3914306966810447248-6917825074097471662?l=airplanedevelopmentstories.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3914306966810447248/posts/default/6917825074097471662'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3914306966810447248/posts/default/6917825074097471662'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://airplanedevelopmentstories.blogspot.com/2009/09/new-post.html' title='The Jaguar'/><author><name>Donald B Terrana</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13903236261329035077</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AHEiS174yyA/SqxOCDjjTtI/AAAAAAAAACg/0bvoHrZ9w7M/s72-c/grumman-xf10f-jaguar-blog-.gif' height='72' width='72'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3914306966810447248.post-6644007573477351377</id><published>2009-09-08T00:04:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-09-08T00:04:34.206-05:00</updated><title type='text'></title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3914306966810447248-6644007573477351377?l=airplanedevelopmentstories.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3914306966810447248/posts/default/6644007573477351377'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3914306966810447248/posts/default/6644007573477351377'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://airplanedevelopmentstories.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-post.html' title=''/><author><name>Donald B Terrana</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13903236261329035077</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3914306966810447248.post-2466570846351711109</id><published>2007-04-26T21:17:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2007-04-26T21:17:54.318-05:00</updated><title type='text'></title><content type='html'>&lt;div class=Section1&gt;  &lt;p class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;font size=2 face=Arial&gt;&lt;span style='font-size:10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family:Arial'&gt;&lt;img width=466 height=267 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.jpg@01C78850.BDB02F70"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3914306966810447248-2466570846351711109?l=airplanedevelopmentstories.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3914306966810447248/posts/default/2466570846351711109'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3914306966810447248/posts/default/2466570846351711109'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://airplanedevelopmentstories.blogspot.com/2007/04/blog-post.html' title=''/><author><name>Donald B Terrana</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13903236261329035077</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3914306966810447248.post-3126273314080340752</id><published>2007-04-26T21:00:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2007-04-27T10:29:45.112-05:00</updated><title type='text'></title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_AHEiS174yyA/RjIWrZ4228I/AAAAAAAAABs/9PCCR6fGrII/s1600-h/image002.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_AHEiS174yyA/RjIWrZ4228I/AAAAAAAAABs/9PCCR6fGrII/s320/image002.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5058130266430036930" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="Section1"&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:18;"&gt;TFXX /&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;F111&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Page&lt;/span&gt; 3&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:16;"&gt;How the body evolved&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;It is not my intent to show how the entire configuration developed, but the airplane &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;was ,&lt;/span&gt; in my opinion, determined by the criticality of the high speed dash mission. This set limits on just how large the maximum cross section area could be. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;Everything else being equal, for supersonic flight the most critical element is the maximum frontal area and the change in shape along the length of the airplane&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;..&lt;/span&gt; This is not so for subsonic flight where total wetted area is just as important. For a body of revolution there is a theoretical shape that provides the minimum wave &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;This&lt;/span&gt; is referred to as a Sears-&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;Haack&lt;/span&gt; body. Of course the real airplanes are much more complex shapes than a simple body of revolution, like a missile, but the concept of Sears-&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;Haack&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;requires&lt;/span&gt; the cross section areas to change smoothly along the length of the body.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;This applies not only to the body of the airplane, but to the wings and &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;empenage&lt;/span&gt;. The figure below first shows a typical cross sectional plot of an airplane and wing combined. Next to it the body has been area ruled, that is reduced in cross section where the wing joins the body. The result is the curve has been smoothed out and the &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;maximum&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;cross&lt;/span&gt; section reduced in value. A number of airplanes in the early &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;1950’s ,like&lt;/span&gt; the F11 and the F106, used this concept to reduce drag particularly in trans sonic flight.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;Of course there is a limited amount of “area-ruling” that can be &lt;st1:personname st="on"&gt;don&lt;/st1:personname&gt;e depending on the unique requirements of the design. For the TFX, the important considerations were to minimize the maximum cross sectional area and to do what ever could be &lt;st1:personname st="on"&gt;don&lt;/st1:personname&gt;e to keep the plot of the area as smooth as possible. .&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;.&lt;img id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.jpg@01C7884E.3E23AAE0" height="267" width="466" /&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;It was believed ( prior to wind tunnel testing) the maximum cross section area would have to be below some value that I have long since forgotten, but lets say about 48 square feet for illustration purposes. Now this is not just the body, but also includes the wings, and further the area distribution had to be smooth.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;This was a continuous design process. There must have been hundreds of these plots made as all the airplane parts were added.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:16;"&gt;What determined the minimum area &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;needed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;Once the crew station, nose radar, the engine and &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;inlets ,and&lt;/span&gt; the bomb bay were configured, all that was left was the landing gear. All those things&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;above pretty much determined just how much space was available for the landing gear. Fitting the main landing gear into the little area that was left for it was the most difficult problem in the whole design&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;Layout after layout was made trying all kinds of schemes to get a usable landing gear in the available space. As I recall both GD and Grumman engineers gave it a try, until one General Dynamics designer came up with what he called the “&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;fomoco&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;“ gear&lt;/span&gt;. &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;Fomoco&lt;/span&gt; derived from Ford Motor Company. He said it was the Ford front wheel suspension system that gave him the idea!&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;Now I believe there are (or were some44 years ago) no better landing gear designers in the world than at Grumman, considering carrier landings. But there never would have been a F111 without his ‘&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;fomoco&lt;/span&gt;’ design.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;Interestingly, for all production airplanes the landing gear was supplied by Grumman.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;During the proposal there was a continual update on just how well the General Dynamics TFX was meeting the Mach 1.2 dash mission of 200 miles.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;Rumors had that Boeing was having troubles and was only making about 150 miles. I believe we thought the GD design would guarantee 190 miles or so/&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;Just a few days ago I found a wonderful story on the internet providing a complete and accurate history of the TFX program. It is the work of George &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;Spangenberg&lt;/span&gt; who was the director of new aircraft evaluation for US Navy. Although I never actually met him, we designers knew it was he we had to convince more than any one else in Defense Department &lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;iif&lt;/span&gt; we were going to get the contract award. Now it is also true that he clearly thought &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;that&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Boeing&lt;/span&gt; should have been selected for the TFX, but was overruled by a whole bunch of politicians including, of course Lynden Johnson.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;If you read through this reference you will see the complete story of the program with just about all the pertinent statistics of the TFX &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;story .&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3914306966810447248-3126273314080340752?l=airplanedevelopmentstories.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3914306966810447248/posts/default/3126273314080340752'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3914306966810447248/posts/default/3126273314080340752'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://airplanedevelopmentstories.blogspot.com/2007/04/tfxx-f111-page-3-how-body-evolved-it-is.html' title=''/><author><name>Donald B Terrana</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13903236261329035077</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp3.blogger.com/_AHEiS174yyA/RjIWrZ4228I/AAAAAAAAABs/9PCCR6fGrII/s72-c/image002.jpg' height='72' width='72'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3914306966810447248.post-1770847159944571360</id><published>2007-03-08T14:39:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2007-03-08T15:59:48.348-05:00</updated><title type='text'>TFX/F111 Page 2</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="Section1"&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt;A&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;s you can see right from the beginning these two requirements would &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"  style="font-size:100%;"&gt;be &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;hard&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt; to do with a single airplane configuration. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;In addition the AF airplane basic weapon system required a missile or bomb to be carried in &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;an &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;internal&lt;/span&gt; bomb bay. The Navy weapon system was the &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;Phoenix&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/st1:city&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;system&lt;/span&gt; that required six external&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;missile launch positions. There was no way to carry the &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;Phoenix&lt;/st1:city&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt; missiles in the &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;limited&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;space&lt;/span&gt; of the internal bay.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;Ok, the above requirements are not &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;totally&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;impossible&lt;/span&gt; for a single design to handle, but there is still&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;a lot more to consider.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;The most difficult thing is the basic size of the aircraft. For the AF if the airplane grows a little, no problem we need a little longer runway. If it gets a little heavy, we increase tire size etc.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;However the Navy airplane must operate off &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;an &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;aircraft&lt;/span&gt; carrier. Now the Navy said it must not &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;exceed&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;55,000&lt;/span&gt; pounds gross weight, and 56feet in length with a span shorter than&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;x feet with the wings folded or in this case retracted.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;I &lt;st1:personname st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:placename st="on"&gt;don&lt;/st1:placename&gt;&lt;/st1:personname&gt;’t mean to overlook the tremendous effort made by GD and Grumman in proposing&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;an airplane that can fly at mach 1.2 on the deck for almost 200 miles, and still be able to loiter for a few hours at 30000 feet while protecting the fleet with phoenix missiles, but the Navy version (F111B) was simply too heavy. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;When the fourth proposal was about to be &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;submitted &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;the&lt;/span&gt; fall of 1962 a huge argument developed at &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;Fort Worth&lt;/st1:city&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;. Grumman weights engineers came up with a gross weight estimate for the B version of &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;approximately &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;65,000&lt;/span&gt; pounds.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;As &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;I&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;recall&lt;/span&gt; General Dynamics weights reviewed the data that night and announced in the morning that their estimate was close to 60,000 pounds.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;Grumman management backed the Grumman engineers and said Grumman could not support the proposal submittal, and sent every body on the Grumman team home. (Grumman had a team of bout 20 engineers working there in &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;Fort Worth&lt;/st1:city&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt; as part of the proposal effort)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;Now I &lt;st1:personname st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:placename st="on"&gt;don&lt;/st1:placename&gt;&lt;/st1:personname&gt;’t want to suggest GD was fudging the numbers, but let us remember the final gross weight of the actual F111b was about &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;78,000 &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;pounds&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;I wasn’t back at Bethpage (the Grumman facility) for more than one day when I was called by the chief &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;engineers&lt;/span&gt; secretary and told to get back to &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;Fort Worth&lt;/st1:city&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt; immediately. What happened was Grumman management agreed to keeping our name on the &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;proposal ,&lt;/span&gt; but words were added showing our reservation as regards the B model gross weight.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;The Proposal Effort&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;There were many interesting events during the proposal efforts worth discussing that provide insight of how this airplane evolved.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;First, there were two separate groups of engineers: the Texans and the Yankees &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;( actually&lt;/span&gt; the NY Yankees) One group dedicated to the Air Force and the other to the Navy.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;However that was never a problem as we worked together very well.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;The real problem was getting an overall configuration to contain all the equipment able to do the job and still fit on an aircraft carrier.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;Let me explain. The most critical requirement was imposed by the AF need for the Mach1.2 200 mile dash on the deck. As I recall there were no airplanes or very &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;few&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;flying&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;that had ever exceeded Mach 1.0 at sea level. The TFX would do it at Mach 1.2 and for 200 miles!&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;So it was obvious this design had to have minimum frontal area. However the AF also required the airplane to be able to land on relatively soft terrain. I believe it had to be as soft as a UCI (Unit Construction Index&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;)of&lt;/span&gt; around 5. Now &lt;st1:personname st="on"&gt;don&lt;/st1:personname&gt;’t ask me why the AF needed to operate on such soft ground.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;The Navy on the other hand was dealing with a steel carrier deck and could use extremely high tire pressure. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;So the AF airplane gets huge tires and that kind of establishes just how big the body is going to be. Oh, I forgot the airplane is also a variable sweep wing design. The landing gear has to be stowed in the body. Add to the above the need for weapons storage, room for the large &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;Phoenix&lt;/st1:city&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt; system radar, and a side by side seated crew system, and you begin to see the design challenges.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;(By the way, the only non-experimental variable sweep wing design ever built prior to the TFX was the Grumman F10F-1 Jaguar&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;.(&lt;/span&gt; First flight May 19,1953) Unfortunately the 10F was ,to say the least, not a very good airplane. But the mechanics of the sweeping wings and the body mounted landing gear were excellent. That was the first airplane I worked on when I started at Grumman in 1950) &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;img id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image001.jpg@01C7618F.9A1D5660" height="267" width="576" /&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;F10F-1 taking off at &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;&lt;span class="SpellE"&gt;Muroc&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/st1:city&gt;  &lt;st1:state st="on"&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;CA&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/st1:state&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;span class="GramE"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;in&lt;/span&gt; 1953 . Click on image fo a larger view&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_AHEiS174yyA/RfB4DM8BPnI/AAAAAAAAABg/zsHrFsQwj48/s1600-h/jaguar+1.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_AHEiS174yyA/RfB4DM8BPnI/AAAAAAAAABg/zsHrFsQwj48/s320/jaguar+1.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5039659979435490930" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;&lt;img id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image002.jpg@01C7618F.9A1D5660" height="300" width="576" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3914306966810447248-1770847159944571360?l=airplanedevelopmentstories.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3914306966810447248/posts/default/1770847159944571360'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3914306966810447248/posts/default/1770847159944571360'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://airplanedevelopmentstories.blogspot.com/2007/03/tfxf111-page-2.html' title='TFX/F111 Page 2'/><author><name>Donald B Terrana</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13903236261329035077</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp3.blogger.com/_AHEiS174yyA/RfB4DM8BPnI/AAAAAAAAABg/zsHrFsQwj48/s72-c/jaguar+1.jpg' height='72' width='72'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3914306966810447248.post-570420983212657634</id><published>2007-03-08T13:52:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2007-03-08T14:21:30.280-05:00</updated><title type='text'>The TFX story page 1</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="Section1"&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:180%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:18;"&gt;THE TFX STORY- the F111a and f111b&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoCaption"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: normal;font-size:14;" &gt;The Request for Proposals begin&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: -81pt;"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;In the last few months of the Eisenhower administration the Air Force began to argue that it needed a successor for its F-105 tactical fighter. This became known as the TFX/F-111 project. However Robert McNamara (then Secretary of Defense) changed the TFX from an Air Force program to a joint Air force/Navy under-taking.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;On October 21, 1961 the two services sent the aircraft industry the request for proposals for the TFX with instructions to submit the bids by 1&lt;sup&gt;st&lt;/sup&gt; December 1961.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;Six bids were received from Lockheed, North American, Boeing, Republic/Vought.\, General Dynamics/Grumman, and McDonnell/Douglas.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;Thus began the larges most expensive airplane program in our history. Before the final award was made to General Dynamics/Grumman in November 1962 there were 3 additional rounds of proposal submittals.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;This story is told from the point of view of the US Navy and Grumman.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;General Dynamics realizing it had no real experience with Navy fighter aircraft decided to team with Grumman for this bi-service effort. I was on the team sent by Grumman to &lt;st1:place st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:city st="on"&gt;Fort Worth&lt;/st1:city&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt; to work with the General Dynamics team. Our main interest was to insure the final product would meet all of the Navy requirements without compromise imposed by the dominant Air Force mission.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;Of the six original proposals Boeings design was clearly the best, although the General Dynamics /Grumman proposal was considered acceptable. The others were rejected for various reasons.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;Without trying to describe the complex politics involved the decision was &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;made &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;by&lt;/span&gt; the evaluators to have Boeing and General Dynamics/Grumman both submit revised proposals addressing some unresolved question. That and two more proposals were submitted until the last proposal was received in September 1962.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:130%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:14;"&gt;The Basic Requirements-What made the TFX so difficult to &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;develop&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;When McNamara combined the Air Force and Navy requirements in to one common vehicle it almost guaranteed a bad outcome. Boeing met these requirements by proposing two not really common designs, where as GD/Grumman maximized the &lt;span class="GramE"&gt;commonality&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;as&lt;/span&gt; much as possible.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;First, let me explain the critical&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;requirements for both .What designed the AF airplane was a mission for the aircraft to fly a long distance at altitude then descend to sea level and dash 200 miles to the target at a speed of mach1.2.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;For the Navy the airplane was designed for carrier task force defense.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:100%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12;"&gt;This meant it would have to cruise a several hundred mile distance from the fleet and then loiter at altitude to establish a defensive position to destroy any enemy aircraft before it could threaten the fleet. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:10;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3914306966810447248-570420983212657634?l=airplanedevelopmentstories.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3914306966810447248/posts/default/570420983212657634'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3914306966810447248/posts/default/570420983212657634'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://airplanedevelopmentstories.blogspot.com/2007/03/tfx-story-page-1.html' title='The TFX story page 1'/><author><name>Donald B Terrana</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13903236261329035077</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3914306966810447248.post-9211168753186969921</id><published>2007-02-23T17:17:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-02-23T17:58:59.028-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Grumman History</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_AHEiS174yyA/Rd9vhuk9aII/AAAAAAAAAAk/E5H5D2-bty4/s1600-h/GRUMMAN+PICTORIAL+HISTORY++A.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_AHEiS174yyA/Rd9vhuk9aII/AAAAAAAAAAk/E5H5D2-bty4/s320/GRUMMAN+PICTORIAL+HISTORY++A.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5034865533652920450" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This diagram shows the rather large number of products produced by Grumman with a diversity ranging from aerospace to  a ocean research.The time period is from 1930 through early 1970. Those were the days when there was  less reliance on computers and when small companies were able to do so much in so little time.&lt;br /&gt;Between 1965 and 1970 Grumman had the F111b, the Gulfstearm II, the OV-1D,the F14,the Flagstaff hydrofoil, the EA6b,the LEM, and the PX15 submersible all in development at the same time!&lt;span class="on" style="display: block;" id="formatbar_Add_Image" title="Add Image" onmouseover="ButtonHoverOn(this);" onmouseout="ButtonHoverOff(this);" onmouseup="addImage();" onmousedown="CheckFormatting(event);;ButtonMouseDown(this);"&gt;&lt;img src="http://www2.blogger.com/img/gl.photo.gif" alt="Add Image" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3914306966810447248-9211168753186969921?l=airplanedevelopmentstories.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3914306966810447248/posts/default/9211168753186969921'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3914306966810447248/posts/default/9211168753186969921'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://airplanedevelopmentstories.blogspot.com/2007/02/grumman-hisrory.html' title='Grumman History'/><author><name>Donald B Terrana</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13903236261329035077</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp0.blogger.com/_AHEiS174yyA/Rd9vhuk9aII/AAAAAAAAAAk/E5H5D2-bty4/s72-c/GRUMMAN+PICTORIAL+HISTORY++A.jpg' height='72' width='72'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3914306966810447248.post-2264791282440376734</id><published>2007-02-23T12:13:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-02-23T12:16:11.970-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Grumman Design 134 Tilt wing Mohawk</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_AHEiS174yyA/Rd8hMek9aHI/AAAAAAAAAAY/6GRaP5fo1yE/s1600-h/Grumman+Design+134+Tilt+Wing+Mohawk.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_AHEiS174yyA/Rd8hMek9aHI/AAAAAAAAAAY/6GRaP5fo1yE/s320/Grumman+Design+134+Tilt+Wing+Mohawk.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5034779406673733746" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3914306966810447248-2264791282440376734?l=airplanedevelopmentstories.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3914306966810447248/posts/default/2264791282440376734'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3914306966810447248/posts/default/2264791282440376734'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://airplanedevelopmentstories.blogspot.com/2007/02/grumman-design-134-tilt-wing-mohawk.html' title='Grumman Design 134 Tilt wing Mohawk'/><author><name>Donald B Terrana</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13903236261329035077</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp3.blogger.com/_AHEiS174yyA/Rd8hMek9aHI/AAAAAAAAAAY/6GRaP5fo1yE/s72-c/Grumman+Design+134+Tilt+Wing+Mohawk.jpg' height='72' width='72'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3914306966810447248.post-8402455897332579031</id><published>2007-02-23T10:45:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2007-02-23T10:52:32.235-05:00</updated><title type='text'>en route to Alaska ,summer of 1959</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_AHEiS174yyA/Rd8Mf-k9aGI/AAAAAAAAAAM/bHsn2sODZkc/s1600-h/Cessna+140.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_AHEiS174yyA/Rd8Mf-k9aGI/AAAAAAAAAAM/bHsn2sODZkc/s320/Cessna+140.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5034756651936999522" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3914306966810447248-8402455897332579031?l=airplanedevelopmentstories.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3914306966810447248/posts/default/8402455897332579031'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3914306966810447248/posts/default/8402455897332579031'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://airplanedevelopmentstories.blogspot.com/2007/02/blog-post.html' title='en route to Alaska ,summer of 1959'/><author><name>Donald B Terrana</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13903236261329035077</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp1.blogger.com/_AHEiS174yyA/Rd8Mf-k9aGI/AAAAAAAAAAM/bHsn2sODZkc/s72-c/Cessna+140.jpg' height='72' width='72'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3914306966810447248.post-6484967177636370541</id><published>2007-02-16T22:56:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2007-02-16T22:56:15.210-05:00</updated><title type='text'>gulfstream start</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class=Section1&gt;  &lt;p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'&gt;&lt;font size=2 face="Courier New"&gt;&lt;span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'&gt;There are a bunch of similar stories yet untold about many airplanes that I think might interest your readers. For example, Nancy Pelosi's airplane needs: As you know the AF has suggested using a military 767 instead of the Gulfstream 500 (C37a ) that Denny Hastert used. I am pretty familiar with both of these aircraft having worked on development of each. The C-37a has range of 6300 miles range and is certainly able to fly from DC to &lt;st1:City w:st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place  w:st="on"&gt;San Francisco&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:City&gt;.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'&gt;&lt;font size=2 face="Courier New"&gt;&lt;span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'&gt;&lt;font size=2 face="Courier New"&gt;&lt;span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'&gt;In fact the Gulfstream 500 is the probably the best executive airplane ever built(I flew on&lt;span style='mso-spacerun:yes'&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;the first Jet Gulfsteam G2 to &lt;st1:country-region w:st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place w:st="on"&gt;Denmark&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; in 1976 when we were trying to sell planes to the Danish Air Force. In those days twin engine airliners were not approved for transatlantic flights. FAA part 135 regulations&lt;span style='mso-spacerun:yes'&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;required twin engine aircraft to be within 90 minutes of an airfield in the event of a single engine failure. During the 80's Boeing got relief from this requirement by establishing improved engine and systems reliability. Both 767's and 757's now routinely fly transatlantic and other long over water flights(&amp;quot;ETOPS&amp;quot; Extended-range Twin-engine Operations permit qualified aircraft to be as far as 180 minutes from an emergency landing field)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'&gt;&lt;font size=2 face="Courier New"&gt;&lt;span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'&gt;&lt;font size=2 face="Courier New"&gt;&lt;span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'&gt;Well whether the speaker of the house really needs a 767 instead of the world's classiest executive airplane we will wait and see.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'&gt;&lt;font size=2 face="Courier New"&gt;&lt;span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'&gt;But what few people know is the history of the Gulfstream airplane creation. The series of airplanes now totaling about 800 ( I may be incorrect) all started back in 1956 when the Grumman Mohawk left preliminary design and began actual development. I was working in PD(preliminary design)and needed something to do&lt;span style='mso-spacerun:yes'&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;as our work on the Mohawk was &lt;st1:PersonName w:st="on"&gt;don&lt;/st1:PersonName&gt;e. This was the era of converting war surplus airplanes into business transports, like the C47s used by many company's like Exxon, Shell, Kodak, IBM, Sperry, AT&amp;amp;T for example. Grumman had built the Mallard amphibian as fill in job at the end of WW2 and founder Leroy Grumman thought it would be good to design a brand new executive airplane in as much as the fleet of old C47s were not very fast and could not fly over the weather.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'&gt;&lt;font size=2 face="Courier New"&gt;&lt;span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'&gt;&lt;font size=2 face="Courier New"&gt;&lt;span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'&gt;However we in PD started originally on a turboprop version of the C1A carrier born utility transport. They never told us what Leroy really wanted, and he was on vacation in &lt;st1:State w:st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place w:st="on"&gt;Florida&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:State&gt;. So I worked on how we could replace the piston engines with Lycoming T55 turboprops. Well lots of things had to change. First the fuselage had to be made circular in cross section so it could be pressurized. And while we were at it, a new wing was required for the turboprops. Ok we could do that, but now we needed a much longer landing gear because the props were so big. Well my boss Mike Pelehack (later to become president of Grumman)insisted we could adopt the existing C1A gear. I made design&lt;span style='mso-spacerun:yes'&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;study after design study, but could not convince him that it could not be &lt;st1:PersonName w:st="on"&gt;don&lt;/st1:PersonName&gt;e. That all ended when we finally were told that they didn't really want a new carrier airplane but an executive transport!&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'&gt;&lt;font size=2 face="Courier New"&gt;&lt;span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'&gt;&lt;font size=2 face="Courier New"&gt;&lt;span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'&gt;Then began the first layouts of what was eventually to become the Gulfstream series of great airplanes. This is the beginning of a really interesting story, which includes how the airplane became a low wing design and how Grumman commissioned a market survey to see how a brand new airplane would sell.( you would not believe the result of the survey and the decision to go ahead with the program)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=MsoNormal style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'&gt;&lt;font size=2 face="Courier New"&gt;&lt;span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=MsoNormal&gt;&lt;font size=2 face=Arial&gt;&lt;span style='font-size:10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family:Arial'&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3914306966810447248-6484967177636370541?l=airplanedevelopmentstories.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3914306966810447248/posts/default/6484967177636370541'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3914306966810447248/posts/default/6484967177636370541'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://airplanedevelopmentstories.blogspot.com/2007/02/gulfstream-start.html' title='gulfstream start'/><author><name>Donald B Terrana</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13903236261329035077</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author></entry></feed>
